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Let's Package jQuery: A Javascript Packaging Dystopian Novella

By Christopher Allan Webber on Fri 01 May 2015

The state of packaging of libre web applications is, let's face it, a sad one. I say this as one of the lead authors of one of such a libre web application myself. It's just one component of why deploying libre web applications is also such a sad state of affairs (hence userops). It doesn't help that, for a long time, the status quo in all free software web applications (and indeed all web applications) was to check javascript and similar served-to-client web assets straight into your repository. This is as bad as it sounds, and leads to an even further disconnect (one of many) between the packages that a truly free distro might include (and have to manually link in after the fact) and those of your own package. Your package is likely to become stuck on a totally old version of things, and that's no good.

So, in an effort to improve things, MediaGoblin and many other projects have kicked the bad habit of including such assets directly in our repository. Unfortunately, the route we are taking to do this in the next release is to make use of npm and bower. I really did not want to do this... our docs already include instructions to use Python's packaging ecosystem and virtualenv, which is fine for development, but since we don't have proper system packaging, this means that this is the route users go for deployment as well. Which I guess would be fine, except that my experience is that language package managers break all the time, and when they break, they generally require an expert in that language to get you out of whatever mess you're in. So we added more language package management features... not so great. Now users are even more likely to hit language package management problems, now also ones that our community are less of experts in helping debug.

But what can we do? I originally thought of home-rolling our own solution, but as others rightly pointed out, this would be inventing our own package manager. So, we're sucking it up and going the npm/bower route.

But wait! There may be a way out... recently I've been playing with Guix quite a bit, and I came to realize that, at least for myself in development, it could be nice to have all the advantages of transactional rollbacks and etc. There is a really nice feature in Guix called guix environment which is akin to a "universal virtualenv" (also similar to JHBuild in Gnome land, but not tied to Gnome specifically)... it can give you an isolated environment for hacking, except not just restricted to Python or Javascript or Ruby or C... great! (Nix has something similar called nix-shell.) I know that I can't expect that Guix is usable for everyone right now, but for many, maybe this could be a nice replacement for Virtualenv + Bower, something I wrote to the mailing list about.

(As an aside, the challenge wasn't the "virtualenv" type side of things (pulling in all the server-side dependencies)... that's easy. The challenge is replacing the Bower part: how to link in all the statically-served assets from the Guix store right into the package? It's kind of a dynamic linking problem, but for various reasons, linking things into the package you're working on is not really easy to do in a functional packaging environment. But thanks to Ludo's advice and thanks to g-expressions, things are working!)

I'm happy to say that today, thanks to the help from the list, I came up with such a Virtualenv + Bower replacement prototype using "guix environment". And of course I wanted to test this on MediaGoblin. So here I thought, well, how about just for tonight I test on something simple. How about jQuery? How hard could that be? I mean, it just compiles down to one file, jquery.js. (Well, two... there's also jquery.js.min...)

Luckily, Guix has Node, so it has npm. Okay, the docs say to do the following:

# Enter the jquery directory and run the build script:
cd jquery && npm run build

Okay, it takes a while... but it worked! That seemed surprisingly easy. Hm, maybe too easy. Remember that I'm building a package for a purely functional distribution: we can't have any side effects like fetching packages from the web, every package used has to be an input and also packaged for Guix. We need dependencies all the way up the tree. So let's see, are there any dependencies? There seems to be a node_modules directory... let's check that:

cwebber@earlgrey:~/programs/jquery$ ls node_modules/
commitplease          grunt-contrib-uglify  grunt-npmcopy        npm                   sinon
grunt                 grunt-contrib-watch   gzip-js              promises-aplus-tests  sizzle
grunt-cli             grunt-git-authors     jsdom                q                     testswarm
grunt-compare-size    grunt-jscs-checker    load-grunt-tasks     qunitjs               win-spawn
grunt-contrib-jshint  grunt-jsonlint        native-promise-only  requirejs

Yikes. Okay, that's 24 dependencies... that'll be a long night, but we can do it.

Except, wait... I mean, there's nothing so crazy here as in dependencies having dependencies, is there? Let's check:

cwebber@earlgrey:~/programs/jquery$ ls node_modules/grunt/node_modules/
async          eventemitter2  glob               iconv-lite  nopt
coffee-script  exit           grunt-legacy-log   js-yaml     rimraf
colors         findup-sync    grunt-legacy-util  lodash      underscore.string
dateformat     getobject      hooker             minimatch   which

Oh hell no. Okay, jeez, just how many of these node_modules directories are there? Luckily, it's not so hard to check (apologies for the hacky bash pipes which are to follow):

cwebber@earlgrey:~/programs/jquery$ find node_modules -name "node_modules" | wc -l
158

Okay, yikes. There are 158 dependency directories that were pulled down recursively. Wha?? To look at the list is to look at madness. Okay, how many unique packages are in there? Let's see:

cwebber@earlgrey:~/programs/jquery$ find node_modules -name "node_modules" -exec ls -l {} \; | grep -v total | awk '{print $9}' | sort | uniq | wc -l
265

No. Way. 265 unique packages (the list in its full glory), all to build jquery! But wait... there were 158 node_modules directories... each one of these could have its own repeat of say, the minimatch package. How many non-unique copies are there? Again, easy to check:

cwebber@earlgrey:~/programs/jquery$ find node_modules -name "node_modules" -exec ls -l {} \; | grep -v total | awk '{print $9}' | wc -l
493

So, there's about double-duplication of all these packages here. Hrm... (Update: I have been told that there is an npm dedupe feature. I don't think this reduces the onerousness of packaging outside of npm, but I'm glad to hear it has this feature!)

Well, there is no way I am compiling jQuery and all its dependencies in this state any time soon. Which makes me wonder, how does Debian do it? The answer seems to be, currently just ship a really old version from back in the day before npm, when you could just use a simple Makefile.

Well for that matter then, how does Nix do it? They're also a functional package management system, and perhaps Guix can take inspiration there as Guix has in so many other places. Unfortunately, Nix just downloads the prebuilt binary and installs that, which in the world of functional package management is kind of like saying "fuck it, I'm out."

And let's face it, "fuck it, I'm out" seems to be the mantra of web application packaging these days. Our deployment and build setups have gotten so complicated that I doubt anyone really has a decent understanding of what is going on, really. Who is to blame? Is it conventional distributions, for being so behind the times and for not providing nice per-user packaging environments for development? Is it web developers, for going their own direction, for not learning from the past, for just checking things in and getting going because the boss is leaning over your shoulder and oh god virtualenv is breaking again on the server since we did an upgrade and I just have to make this work this time? Whose fault is it? Maybe pinning blame is not really the best anyway, but I feel that these are conversations that we should have been having, for distributions and web applications to work together, at least a decade ago. And it's not just Javascript; we're hardly better in the Python world. But it's no wonder that the most popular direction of deployment is the equivalent of rolling a whole distro up into a static binary, and I don't have to tell you what a sad state that is.

For me, at the moment, I'd like to be more conscious of what it takes to build software, not less. Reproducibility is key to long-term software freedom, else how can we be sure that the software we're running is really the software we say it is? But given all the above, it's hard to not have empathy for those who instead decide to toss in that towel and take a "fuck it, I'm out" approach to deployment.

But I hope we can do better. In the meanwhile, ensuring that users can actually build and package from top to bottom the software I'm encouraging them to use is becoming more of a priority for me, not less.

And I guess that may mean, if it isn't really feasible to reproduce your software, I can't depend on it in my own.

Why is it hard to move from one machine to another? An analysis. [x-post from Userops]

By Christopher Allan Webber on Wed 08 April 2015

NOTE: This is a shameless cross-post of something I originally sent to the userops list, where we discuss deployment things.


Hello all,

For a while I've been considering, why is it so harder for me to migrate from server to server than it is for me to migrate from desktop to desktop? For years, ever since I discovered rsync, migrating between machines has not been hard. I simply rsync my home directory over to the new machine (or maybe even just keep the old /home/ directory's partition where it is!) and bam, I am done. Backing this up is easy; it's just another rsync away. (I use dirvish as a simple wrapper around rsync so it can manage incremental backups.)

If I set up a new machine, it is no worry. Even if my current machine dies, it is mostly no worry. Rsync back my home directory, and done. I will spend a week or so discovering that certain programs I rely on are not there, and I'll install them one by one. In a way it's refreshing: I can install the programs I need, and the old cruft is gone!

This is not true for servers. At the back of my mind I realized this, but until the end of Stefano Zacchiroli's excellent LibrePlanet talk when I posed a question surrounding this situation, I hadn't totally congealed in my head: why is it so much harder for me to move from server to server? Assume I even have the old server around and I want to move. It isn't easy!

So here are some thoughts that come out of this:

  • For my user on my workstation, configuration and data are in the same place: /home/ (including lots of little dotfiles for the configs, and the rest is mostly data). Sure, there's some configuration stuff in /etc/ and data in /var/ but it mostly doesn't really matter, and copying that between machines is not hard.
  • Similarly, for my user on workstation experience, it is very little stress if I set up a machine and am missing some common packages. I can just install them again as I find them missing.
  • Neither of these are true for my server! In addition to caring about /home/, and even more importantly, I have to worry about configuration in /etc/ and data in /var/. These are both pains in the butt for me for different reasons.
  • Lots of stuff in /etc/ is configuration that interacts with the rest of the system in specific ways. I could rsync it to a new machine, but I feel like that's just blindly copying over stuff where I really need to know how it works and how it was set up with the rest of the machine in the first place.
  • This is compounded by the fact that people rarely set up one machine these days; usually they have to set up several machines for several users. Remembering how all that stuff worked is hard. The only solution seems to be to have some sort of reproducible configuration system. Hence the rise of salt, ansible, etc. But these aren't really "userops" systems, they're "devops"... developer focused. Not only do you need to know how they work, you need to know how the rest of the system works. And it's not easy to share that knowledge.
  • /var/ is another matter. Theoretically, most of my program data goes there (unless, of course, it went to /srv/, god help us). But I can't just rsync it! There are some processes that are very persnickety about the stuff there. I have to dump my databases and etc before I can move them or back up. Nothing sets up an automatic cronjob for me on these, I have to know to dump postgres. Hopefully I set up a cronjob!
  • While I as a workstation user don't stress too much if I'm missing some packages (just install them as I go), that is NOT true of my servers. If my mail servers aren't running, if jabber isn't on, (if SSH isn't running!!!), there are other servers expecting to communicate with my machine, and if I don't set them up, I miss out.
  • Not only this, assuming I have moved between servers correctly, even once I have set up my machine and it has become a perfectly okay running special snowflake, there are certain routine tasks that require a lot of manual intervention, and I have only picked up the right steps by knowing the right friends, having run across the right tutorials which hopefully have shown me the right setup, etc. SSL configuration, I'm looking at you; the only savior that I have is that I have written myself my own little orgmode notes on what to do the next time my certs expire.
  • My servers do become special snowflakes, and that is very stressful to me. I will, in the future, need to set up one more server, and remembering what I did in the past will be very hard.
  • Assuming I use all the mainstream tools, not talking about "upcoming" ones, a better configuration management solution is probably the answer, right? That's a lot to ask users though: it's not a solution to existing deployment, because it doesn't remove the need to know about all the layers underneath, it just adds a new layer to understand.

Those are all headaches, and they are not the only headaches. But here are some thoughts on things that can help:

  • If I recognize which parts of my system are "immutable" and which parts are "mutable", it's easier to frame how my system works.

    • /var/ is mutable, it's data. There's no making this "reproducible" really: it needs to be backed up and moved around.
    • My packages and system are immutable, or mostly should be. Even if not using a perfectly immutable system like guix/nix, it's helpful to act like this part of the system is pseudo-immutable, and simply derived from some listing of things I said I wanted installed. (Nix/Guix probably do this the most nicely though.)
    • /etc/ is similarly "immutable but derived" in the best case. I should be able to give the same system configuration inputs and always get the same system of packages and configuration files.
  • I like Guix/Nix, but my usage of Debian and Fedora and friends is not going away anytime soon. Nonetheless, configuration management systems like puppet/ansible/salt help give the illusion of an immutable system derived from a set of inputs, even though they are working within a mutable one.

  • Language packaging for deployment needs to die. Yes, I say this as a project that advocates that very route. We're doing it wrong, and I want to change it. (Language packaging for development though: that's great!)

  • Asking people to use systems like ansible/salt/puppet is asking users too much. You're just asking them to learn one more layer on top of knowing how the whole system works. Sharing common code is mostly copy and paste. There are some layers built on top of here to mitigate this but afaict they aren't really good, not good enough. (I am working on something to solve this...)

  • Pre-built containers are not the solution. Sorry container people! Containers can be really useful but only if they are built in some reproducible way. But very few people using Docker and etc seem to be doing this. But here's another thing: Docker and friends contain their own deployment domain specific languages, which is dumb. If a reproducible configuration system is good enough, it should be good enough for a VM or a container or a vanilla server or a desktop. So maybe we can use containers as lightweight and even sandboxed VMs, but we shouldn't be installing prebuilt containers on our servers alone as a system.

    Otherwise else you're running 80 heavy and expensive Docker images that slowly go out of date... now you're not maintaining 1 distribution install, you're maintaining 81 of them. Yikes! Good luck with the next Shellshock!

  • Before Asheesh jumps in here: yes I will say that Sandstorm is taking maybe the best route as in terms of a system that uses containers heavily (and unlike Docker, they seem actually sandboxed) in that it seems to have a separation between mutable parts and immutable parts: the container is more or less an immutable machine from what I can tell that has /var/ mounted into it, which is a pretty good route.

    In this sense I think Sandstorm has a good picture of things. There are other things that I am still very unsure about, and Asheesh knows because I have expressed them to him (I sure hope that iframe thing goes away, and that daemons like Celery can run, and etc!) but at least in this sense, Sandstorm's container story is more sane.

So there are some reflections in case you are planning on debugging why these things are hard.

-- Chris

PS: If you haven't gotten the sense, the direction I'm thinking of is more along the lines of Guix becoming our Glorious Future (TM) assuming something like GuixOps can happen (go Dave Thompson, go Guix crew!) and a web UI can be built on top of it with some sort of common recipe system.

But I don't think our imperative systems like Debian are going away anytime soon; I certainly don't intend to move all my stuff over to Guix at this time. For that reason, I think there needs to be another program to fit the middle ground: something like salt/ansible/puppet, but with less insane one-off domain specific languages, with a sharable recipe system, and scalable both from developer-oriented scripts but also having a user-friendly web interface. I've begun working on this tool, and it's called Opstimal. Expect to hear more about it soon.

Interviewed on Ryno the Bearded

By Christopher Allan Webber on Tue 07 April 2015

I was interviewed on Ryno the Bearded in an episode with the curious title "My Origin Story". I'm not sure whose that refers to, maybe both of us, because we both talked about our backstories. (Though, I think if I was going to lay out my "free software origin story", it would probably include some other things... but maybe it would get to be fairly rambly. I've thought about trying to write up what that is before, but I guess there were a lot of "moments" for my free software origins, not any one moment like "I was bitten by a libre radioactive spider".)

I really enjoyed doing this one, and maybe you'll enjoy listening to it. It's kind of rambly and conversational and we came in with very little as in terms of questions, but I think I tend to do fairly well in that format.

I did cut off the end of the interview by saying I had to go to the bathroom though. Not really the most dignified of exits on my part. Oh well.

Fever Dream: cryptocurrency

By Christopher Allan Webber on Sun 29 March 2015

I've been sick the last two days, and for some reason, I've been dreaming in lisp. It's not the first time I've dreamt in code, but all times have been in lisp. Maybe lisp is not as readable as many would like, but it seems dreamable.

Just got up from another nap, another lisp-based fever dream. This one about a cryptocurrencty on an actor model system, built for a MUD/AR type environment... no blockchain required (note: may be inspired by reading Rainbows End between naps):

  • Various actors represent "reserves", like the Federal Reserve can print their own money, as much as they like, but there may be various community enforcements of this
  • You might have different central banks / reserves on different servers
  • The "value" or exchange rate determined by the market, like international currency.
  • Currency is non-divisible (you have 100 rupees, but not .1 rupees)
  • Bank has a private key, so does each actor.
  • Basically more or less passing along capabilities (I think???) but maybe even the central bank signing whoever has "posession". The bank does not know who things are transferred to, but does verify that the transferring owner has the right capability currently belonging to that unit's ID, and does issue a new capability to the new owner.

Does this make sense? I'm too sick to know for now. But transactions flying everywhere, wrapped in parentheses, in my fevered mind.

If I have more crazy lisp fever dreams today I will record them here. No guarantee of sanity.

LibrePlanet and W3C Social Working Group 2015

By Christopher Allan Webber on Sun 29 March 2015

Great trip, spent 2 weeks doing the following:

  • Attending W3C Social Working Group. Good things have happened; felt much more clear by the second day than by the first day. Lessons learned in that raising issues (normally I'm reasonably quiet, a certain amount of imposter syndrome while participating in the group) was helpful, some people said they were thinking about the same things. Anyway, much work to do ahead.
  • Hanging out at Deb Nicholson's place with friends
  • Gave a talk at Libreplanet which I'm happy with
  • Had an awesome night of vegan salted caramel root beer floats (the best thing ever it turns out) and Hanabi with Aeva Palecek, Amy Guy, and Jessica Tallon; all friends of federation, but it was nice getting to decompress without worrying about that stuff for a bit. Way better than a trip to the bar!
  • So many great people at Libreplanet. I'm kind of sad that I didn't get to spend a lot of time with everyone, but the up side is that I got to spend a lot of time with some particularly great people, and the main problem was there was just too many good people at once. A good problem.
  • Mako and Karen both gave good keynotes, and I liked a lot of talks
  • Lots of Veggie Galaxy, eaten
  • Then took a trip to hang out with @Bassam Kurdali, Fateh, Libby Reinish, Tristen, at their respective places. It was nice to do this with @Tsyesika / Jessica Tallon joining me.
  • Much of the week spent from the "Nerdodrome", Hampshire College's animation studio, where Bassam works. I spent most of the week working on a deployment system I'm specc'ing out. If it turns out to be something I use, I'll update with more info.
  • Got to spend some time exploring Western Mass, which was great.

The trip was really worth it. I spent a lot of time with people I care about, and it felt very productive.

I'm not planning another conference for the remainder of 2015 though. Amongst other things, my back and wrists are killing me right now, and doing this morning's stretches was a painful wake-up. And I have a lot of difficult personal things in the year ahead. Oh, and let's not forget about how much work there is to do on MediaGoblin that I haven't gotten to.

But! This trip really helped set some directions for me for the year ahead, and I'm really grateful for that.

Looking forward to LibrePlanet 2016!